This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.
This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Assyria, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Assyrian-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.AssyriaWikipedia:WikiProject AssyriaTemplate:WikiProject AssyriaAssyrian
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Turkey, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Turkey and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TurkeyWikipedia:WikiProject TurkeyTemplate:WikiProject TurkeyTurkey
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Iraq, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Iraq on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IraqWikipedia:WikiProject IraqTemplate:WikiProject IraqIraq
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Former countries, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.Former countriesWikipedia:WikiProject Former countriesTemplate:WikiProject Former countriesFormer countries
This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Iran, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to articles related to Iran on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please join the project where you can contribute to the discussions and help with our open tasks.IranWikipedia:WikiProject IranTemplate:WikiProject IranIran
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Human rights, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Human rights on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Human rightsWikipedia:WikiProject Human rightsTemplate:WikiProject Human rightsHuman rights
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Anthropology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Anthropology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.AnthropologyWikipedia:WikiProject AnthropologyTemplate:WikiProject AnthropologyAnthropology
According to historian David Gaunt, a primary characteristic was the total targeting of the Assyrian population, including farming villages as well as rebelling mountain tribes. The killing in rural regions was more extensive, while some survived the massacres in cities; Gaunt states that this indicates that a primary aim was the confiscation of land. The property, villages and animals of the villagers were destroyed totally to prevent their return.[1] In most areas, the genocide occurred between June and October 1915.[2]
^Gaunt 2015, p. 85. sfn error: no target: CITEREFGaunt2015 (help)
^Cetin, Önder (2021). "Revisiting the Prospect of Revision in Turkish Secondary School History Textbooks: the Case of the Assyrian Debate". British Journal of Educational Studies: 1–20. doi:10.1080/00071005.2021.1990851.
^Mutlu-Numansen, Sofia; Ossewaarde, Marinus (2019). "A Struggle for Genocide Recognition: How the Aramean, Assyrian, and Chaldean Diasporas Link Past and Present". Holocaust and Genocide Studies. 33 (3): 412–428. doi:10.1093/hgs/dcz045.
^Mutlu-Numansen, Sofia; Ossewaarde, Ringo (2015). "Heroines of gendercide: The religious sensemaking of rape and abduction in Aramean, Assyrian and Chaldean migrant communities". European Journal of Women's Studies. 22 (4): 428–442. doi:10.1177/1350506815605646.
There are four actually five discussions archived in Talk:Sayfo/Archive 5. The problem with the infobox that's been added is that it's misleading to readers. For example, the numbers of dead provided is the only number that exists, but reliable sources don't consider it an accurate figure. Location is not accurate since the article also discusses events in Iran/Persia. Target is biased because of the terminological issues discussed in the article, and the perpetrators is incomplete to the point of bias. The content provided in the date, attack type, and motive fields is not supported by reliable sources. Etc. I think all of these nuances cannot be conveyed adequately in the infobox format. (t · c) buidhe01:56, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This all doesn’t make much sense tho.
first of all, the number is actually reliable and supported by various academics? Location can be fixed, but you’re actually wrong considering the massacres In Persia took place when the ottomans occupied those areas, meaning it remains in the Ottoman Empire. The target isn’t biased in any way bro, target is Assyrian, simple as that. Just go and watch any other genocide page, those pages are absolutely no different from the points ur throwing out. And the date, attack type, and motive are all sourced throughout the page, so idk what ur talking about. The Infobox isn’t misleading, but an easier way for readers to sum up the whole page.
I agree with Buidhe here, and I really don't think we have to have this discussion again. This article passed FAC in this state, and had plenty of eyes on it, after all; any such change should require a consensus of multiple authors. (Taking WP:NICE at heart would help, too). --Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be a bit more specific: you give the dates as 1915-1917. I'd say the article supports the 1915 start date sufficiently (although some sources say 1914), but there is no sourced content in the article that it ended in 1917. Some sources give 1915 as the end year, others 1918 or even 1924. This type of disagreement on the most basic facts makes it hard to represent the subject using an infobox, without failing NPOV or other policies. I also opposed an infobox on the Armenian genocide article, but at least there is more consensus on the basic info. (t · c) buidhe00:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, nobody says 1924 except the uneducated people who think that the Assyrian rebellion and it’s exile is a part of the genocide.
Even if we were going to substitute our own opinion of what is "educated" to believe over what reliable sources say—where in the page does it say the genocide ended in 1918? (t · c) buidhe06:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That’s when the MASSACRES ended, more specifically in today’s Persia. what you’re doing is that you’re looking at what every source says, no matter what they say. If we would do that, then the Armenian genocide would end in 1923 or 1916 instead of 1917.
assyrians managed to escape the massacres and reach the refugee camps by 1918, ending the massacres, and also ending the wage of Jihad against the Ottoman Christian’s and the attempt to wipe them out after the war. Etcnoel1 (talk) 06:26, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
level-5 vital article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale..svg){kind=small}
.svg)
,_early_1900s,_Central_Africa,_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo,_Pende_people,_wood,_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG){kind=small}
